Richard Dawkins - Alister McGrath debate - Part 2
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- great debate! Both very eloquent speakers. ITs a peice of history.
- and everything else
- I believe God is a mathematician.
- if someone believed in the tooth fairy, would you have to read a book about it to disprove it?
- "true 'free thinkers' will debate on both." Thank you for making this point!
- humour anyone ? I think Richard Dawkins is quite well aware of irony, its form, and its application.
- Yes, it's true that Dawkins doesnt know theology and history. He does'nt have a credibility to talk about things that pertain to God which is not his line of expertise. He should only focus on biology.
- at :20 something gets passed to him and he invokes the name of god! Irony anybody?
- I notice that ther is much critisim on the Mcgrath Segments but not many on the Dawkins, both views can be critised not just one, true 'free thinkers' will debate on both.
- Templarant, I understand what you are saying from the first. It is you who is not smart enough to understand my reply to it. I UNDERSTAND that a-theism is merely a disbelief in the existence of God and any ideology can have atheism as part of it. Did I ever deny that? However, we are discussing theism vs. atheism...and we can group this world as such..people who believe in God and people who does not whther they maybe buddhists or communists or nihilists or any ideology.
- That is why God send his only son Jesus Christ to this world so that we maybe saved and get eternal life. He loves us and he is waiting for your response but he will not FORCE you to take any path becasue its YOUR FREE CHOICE TO CHOOSE.
- Yes mate...free choice in the Bible. God's commands and laws are designed for your own good and perfect life just like your parents' commands and laws in your house. If you dont you get punished for it. Just like in a democracy. Otherwise there will be chaos. The whole world is in the path of hell and God is desperatley trying to help us get away from that consequential end.
- Democracy is not perfect but it has the options within it to allow changes for perfection according to the best interest of the people which then makes it perfect. That is what makes it valid and others not. Do you understand this or are YOU dumb?
- The 'goodness' of an ideology is incomplete if the ideology is itself partly good and partly bad. That ideology is not qualified to be branded as 'good'. Nazism and marxism have way too unrealistic and 'bad' things in it than 'good'.Secondly, an ideology is judged by its results and clearly nazism and marxism have failed miserably among the people whereas democacy have survived amazingly. (contd.)
- I understand what you are saying from the first. It is you who is not smart enough to understand my reply to it. I understand that a-theism is merely a disbelief in the existence of God and any ideology can have atheism as part of it. Did I ever deny that? However, we are discussing theism vs. atheism...and we can group this world as such..people who believe in God and people who does not whther they maybe buddhists or communists or nihilists or any ideology.
- I usually don't resort to an hominem but I'm done... Most Christians are smart enough to understand my points and follow my analogies. You appear WAY too dumb to ever understand them and I really don't have time to say the same things over and over and over, hoping that someday you'll grow a brain. I'll keep my eye on this thread and answer other people.
- You're way too stupid to understand this... You can use the word "atheist" like the word "a-buddhist" under specific, controlled circumstances. Like "Debate today is between a Christian and an Atheist." Just like "Debate today is between a Buddhist and an a-buddhist". If you lump all a-buddhists or all a-theists together as one collective - you are an a-#1 IMBECILE! An a-buddhist could be a nazi or Christian or a marxist. "See all the evil that A-Buddhists have wrought?"
- An A-theist does not believe in what? theist=god. It doesn't have anything to do with anything else. An atheist could believe in ouija boards, wizards and magical fairies - they just don't believe in gods. North Korea IS a religion! Marxism IS a religion! If it persecutes heretics, indoctrinates children to be obedient to it, believes in "thought crime", does not allow debate of its dogma and fears external influence - it is a religion!
- "Free choice" in the Bible? If you follow "Free Choice" instead of following his commands, Jehovah will send you to hell - that's not free choice. Besides - you're still indicating to me that you didn't understand what I said. You still don't appear to understand that you group people by belief, NOT disbelief.
- "An ideology can only be used for good if the ideology is itself good." Where do you live? "Never, Never Land?" Nazis can arrest criminals, Marxists can help the starving, Despots can build economies.. that doesn't make those systems valid!
- Communism, Nihilism, hedonism, marxism and so on have all come from atheism and imperialism.
- Objectivism and free-thinking does not end up in atheism only but also in theism. Does that then make you believe that abjectivism or free-thinking is wrong? No. So, understand that objectivism and free-thinking is there in the Bible...Free-choice gives way to free-thinking. and God has given everyone in this world a free choice which then gives him the option of free thinking.
- Are you a buddist? do you believe in Buddhism and its teachings? although it has no God it does have 'fixed' absolutes and elieves that there is something more to the natural world.They do believe in supernatural. Can you be clear...who are you?.... BTW, N. Korea is nation ruled by atheists...theocracy, communism, nihilism everything comes FROM atheism.
- If you do not believe in deities or religion...you are an atheist. and the REAL world does GROUP unbelievers INTO ATHEISM and THAT IS WHAT MATTERS YOU MORON. It is included in the 'dictionary"!!! which proves its approval as a GROUP. Def. of atheism: "the doctrine or belief that there is no God"
- "You group people by beliefs NOT nonbeliefs!" You MORON...then why does the name 'atheism' exist in this world . What are we supposed to call unbelievers of deities then...if not for atheism?? Theism is more popualr, more strong and more fixed than atheism. Therefore the word 'atheism' is a reality and it atill exists in this real world...whether it has to be or not. In reality atheism exists and that is what matters.
