Richard Dawkins and Alister McGrath Pt. 2 of 15
Posted in Videos on January 8th, 2009
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- McGrath > Dawkins
- at the end of this video, dawkins face, haha, where the scene freezes, is hilarious. dawkins, i love you, but that face made me take you so less seriously,
- BadVybz - Just for the sake of argument, what would you consider "evidence" of "god"? What are you defining as "god" and why are you choosing that particular definition?
- What happened to the conversation at 1:30?
- Skinner's right about morals & freedom. Wrong only on philosophy. Man is not a "caged ape," but rather able to condition more fully by thought then by action in environment. Still thought is controlled by external stimulus, but thought conditions more. Hence your free will is merely a sharpened discriminative control. Ray, B. (1969) Selective attention: the effects of combining stimuli which control incompatible behavior. J. of the Exp. Analysis of Beh., 12, 539-550. Now is it interesting?
- Skinner applied science to man's behaviors showing they are controlled by reasonable scientific principles. He concludes man is a "caged ape." does control imply no free will? YES. Does that imply man is a "caged ape?" NO & this is because man's thoughts condition more than the external stimulus. Man has what can be called a sharpened discriminative control. This means man can be judged by his actions as assumed in the Christian religion. Men universally know themself Psalms 51:17.
- You keep yapping about there being evidence, but yet you haven't shown any. Just because people have myths about fire breathing dragons doesn't mean it was real. We also have fictional stories about elves, unicorns, fairies, and wizards. It doesn't mean they were ever real. I guess there's no point in even debating with someone who can't even pull themselves out of their magical world (that's apparently filled with fire breathing dragons, talking snakes and an invisble man in the sky.) :[
- Couldn't say better, Daniko! very good reasoning!
- We also don't live side by side with elephants, but everybody and their mother knows about them. You'd think your "dragons" would show up in history at some point. Not just in fairy tales. Here I thought you could at least tell the difference between fiction and reality. Once again give me some evidence. Or should everyone just take your word on it? The bible doesn't count, because the last time I checked we didn't use it in history classes.
- The camera problems around 1:50 should have been edited out.
- The evidence for dragons having lived at the same time as humans is very real. It is written. They did not live "side by side" but they did live at the same time. You have to discount our own historical records of dragon slayings and you have to say the Chinese were also tripping. Does that threaten your perspective and belief of things? What is the problem with very real historical accounts of dragons? The Bible describes two obvious dinosaurs and mentions them some twenty times.
- You say there's "many" but the only example you give me is "the Chinese." Besides, with the attention to detail they gave to astronomy for example, you'd think they'd be able to describe a giant lizard accurately. Again you still haven't answered my question. I'm asking for evidence of dinosaurs living along side people. Paintings, historical documents, anything done during the time you say dinosaurs and humans lived together.
- There are many of extra scriptural accounts of dragons. Have you ever heard of the Chinese?
- The devil is in the definition. It all depend how you define the terms, none of which speak of anything other than the already established fact of a round earth anyway.
- You would think god, of all people, would at least be straightforward about the shape of the earth. Last time I checked you can't take a sphere by it's edges. Also, our earth does, in fact, move. If you didn't know this already.
- Job 38:13 that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? Psalm 104:5 He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. Job 28:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven... Psalm 96:10 He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.. Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
- You're not listening to my question. I'm asking for mentions of your dragons in anything other than the bible. You would think people would write about it outside of the bible. Yet we have no accounts of such creatures ever existing along side people. Furthermore, the bible mentions unicorns and a talking snake. Should we take that seriously too?
- Listen to what the Bible really says and don't ever lie about it again. "He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing. He binds up the water in His thick clouds, yet the clouds are not broken under it. He covers the face of His throne, and spreads His cloud over it. He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters, at the boundary of light and darkness." Job 26: 7 - 10
- Yes, the tail like a cedar tree is very significant indeed. It is also significant that it would hide in the river and that it was called a "dumb beast". It was mentioned and you are complaining about that? The sea serpent/dragon Leviathan was also mentioned several times in the Bible so the only obvious conclusion is that it really did exist! It also speaks of dragons making loud vocalizations. The conclusion again is that they really did exist. The dragon is also in the Chinese calendar.
- make sure u take context and intent into account. was the author trying to write a scientific account???
- Also should we take other scientific claims the bible says seriously? Apparently the earth has edges, four corners, oceans spilled over the ends of the earth, it's flat, and can't move. I think the bible is the last thing we should be taking scientific information from.
- There are hundreds of species of dinosaurs and they only mention two? Seems odd they'd only mention two considering how BIG they are and how they would dramatically impact our ecosystem (If they lived among humans.) You'd think people would notice something like that and, I dunno, maybe write it down in something other than the bible. Maybe even draw a picture. Just because they say behemoth has a "long tail" doesn't make it a dinosaur. That's a huge generalization.
- why didnt they edit out that silly bit
- Dawkins has nothing to say. Objects do not make any information. To say that preexisting designs mutate is not even being honest because preexisting designs reproduce with shuffling their preexisting information. That is the only way to get variation of species while maintaining the integrity of the preexisting information that is by design.
- Pay attention, there are two descriptions of two species of dinosaur. There are over twenty mentions of dinosaurs.
